Rob Neyer says maybe. Ken Rosenthal says probably.
If you hadn’t heard, the Indians have acquired, essentially, three new outfielders — Nick Swisher, Michael Bourn, and Drew Stubbs. I’ve commented on the latter earlier, so I’ll focus my attention on the other two new acquisitions. Significantly, both came via free agency. Conveniently, both Bourn and Swisher have more or less the same contract — 4 year deals, although Swisher got more cash ($56 million vs. $48 million) and both have vesting options. They’ve also made some excellent low risk signings for the pitching staff in Brett Myers, Daisuke Matsuzaka, and Scott Kazmir. Mark Reynolds will play 1B/DH and provide power, something the Indians haven’t had in a while. Yet Bourn and Swisher are where the Tribe spent the money, so let’s focus on them.
Michael Bourn’s career line:
| Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | TB | GDP | HBP | SH | SF | IBB | Pos | Awards | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2006 | 23 | PHI | NL | 17 | 11 | 8 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 3 | .125 | .222 | .125 | .347 | -9 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 9/7 | |
| 2007 | 24 | PHI | NL | 105 | 133 | 119 | 29 | 33 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 18 | 1 | 13 | 21 | .277 | .348 | .378 | .727 | 86 | 45 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 78/9 | |
| 2008 | 25 | HOU | NL | 138 | 514 | 467 | 57 | 107 | 10 | 4 | 5 | 29 | 41 | 10 | 37 | 111 | .229 | .288 | .300 | .588 | 57 | 140 | 3 | 2 | 7 | 1 | 0 | *8 | |
| 2009 | 26 | HOU | NL | 157 | 678 | 606 | 97 | 173 | 27 | 12 | 3 | 35 | 61 | 12 | 63 | 140 | .285 | .354 | .384 | .738 | 97 | 233 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 2 | 1 | *8 | GG |
| 2010 | 27 | HOU | NL | 141 | 605 | 535 | 84 | 142 | 25 | 6 | 2 | 38 | 52 | 12 | 59 | 109 | .265 | .341 | .346 | .686 | 89 | 185 | 6 | 3 | 6 | 2 | 5 | *8 | AS,GG |
| 2011 | 28 | TOT | NL | 158 | 722 | 656 | 94 | 193 | 34 | 10 | 2 | 50 | 61 | 14 | 53 | 140 | .294 | .349 | .386 | .734 | 103 | 253 | 6 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 3 | *8 | |
| 2011 | 28 | HOU | NL | 105 | 473 | 429 | 64 | 130 | 26 | 7 | 1 | 32 | 39 | 7 | 38 | 90 | .303 | .363 | .403 | .766 | 113 | 173 | 5 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 8 | |
| 2011 | 28 | ATL | NL | 53 | 249 | 227 | 30 | 63 | 8 | 3 | 1 | 18 | 22 | 7 | 15 | 50 | .278 | .321 | .352 | .674 | 85 | 80 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 8 | |
| 2012 | 29 | ATL | NL | 155 | 703 | 624 | 96 | 171 | 26 | 10 | 9 | 57 | 42 | 13 | 70 | 155 | .274 | .348 | .391 | .739 | 99 | 244 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 1 | *8 | AS,MVP-18 |
| 7 Yrs | 871 | 3366 | 3015 | 459 | 820 | 125 | 45 | 22 | 215 | 276 | 64 | 296 | 679 | .272 | .339 | .365 | .704 | 90 | 1101 | 19 | 14 | 28 | 13 | 12 | |||||
| 162 Game Avg. | 162 | 626 | 561 | 85 | 153 | 23 | 8 | 4 | 40 | 51 | 12 | 55 | 126 | .272 | .339 | .365 | .704 | 90 | 205 | 4 | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2 | |||||
| HOU (4 yrs) | 541 | 2270 | 2037 | 302 | 552 | 88 | 29 | 11 | 134 | 193 | 41 | 197 | 450 | .271 | .337 | .359 | .696 | 89 | 731 | 15 | 10 | 20 | 6 | 8 | |||||
| ATL (2 yrs) | 208 | 952 | 851 | 126 | 234 | 34 | 13 | 10 | 75 | 64 | 20 | 85 | 205 | .275 | .341 | .381 | .722 | 96 | 324 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 7 | 2 | |||||
| PHI (2 yrs) | 122 | 144 | 127 | 31 | 34 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 19 | 3 | 14 | 24 | .268 | .340 | .362 | .703 | 79 | 46 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 2 | |||||
and
| Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | Rbat | Rbaser | Rdp | Rfield | Rpos | RAA | WAA | Rrep | RAR | WAR | waaWL% | 162WL% | oWAR | dWAR | oRAR | Pos | Awards | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2006 | 23 | PHI | NL | 17 | 11 | -2 | -0 | 0 | 0 | -0 | -2 | -0.2 | 0 | -2 | -0.2 | .486 | .499 | -0.2 | -0.0 | -2 | 9/7 | ||
| 2007 | 24 | PHI | NL | 105 | 133 | -3 | 4 | 0 | 6 | -2 | 5 | 0.5 | 4 | 9 | 0.9 | .505 | .503 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 3 | $380,000 | 78/9 | |
| 2008 | 25 | HOU | NL | 138 | 514 | -28 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | -20 | -2.1 | 14 | -6 | -0.7 | .485 | .487 | -0.8 | 0.3 | -7 | $396,000 | *8 | |
| 2009 | 26 | HOU | NL | 157 | 678 | -0 | 10 | 4 | 11 | 2 | 28 | 2.9 | 18 | 46 | 4.7 | .518 | .518 | 3.5 | 1.4 | 35 | $434,500 | *8 | GG |
| 2010 | 27 | HOU | NL | 141 | 605 | -8 | 9 | 2 | 30 | 2 | 34 | 3.7 | 17 | 51 | 5.3 | .526 | .523 | 2.1 | 3.5 | 21 | $2,400,000 | *8 | AS,GG |
| 2011 | 28 | HOU | NL | 105 | 473 | 7 | 4 | 1 | -6 | 2 | 8 | 0.9 | 13 | 21 | 2.1 | .508 | .505 | 2.7 | -0.4 | 27 | $4,400,000 | 8 | |
| 2011 | 28 | ATL | NL | 53 | 249 | -5 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 0.2 | 7 | 9 | 0.9 | .504 | .501 | 0.5 | 0.4 | 6 | 8 | ||
| 2012 | 29 | ATL | NL | 155 | 703 | 0 | 7 | 3 | 24 | 2 | 37 | 4.1 | 20 | 56 | 6.0 | .526 | .525 | 3.2 | 3.0 | 33 | $6,845,000 | *8 | AS,MVP-18 |
| 7 Seasons | 871 | 3366 | -38 | 39 | 12 | 69 | 10 | 92 | 10.0 | 92 | 184 | 19.0 | .511 | .508 | 11.3 | 8.6 | 115 | $14,855,500 | |||||
| HOU (4 yrs) | 541 | 2270 | -29 | 27 | 8 | 36 | 8 | 50 | 5.3 | 62 | 112 | 11.4 | .510 | .508 | 7.5 | 4.8 | 76 | $7,630,500 | |||||
| ATL (2 yrs) | 208 | 952 | -4 | 9 | 4 | 27 | 3 | 39 | 4.4 | 27 | 65 | 6.9 | .520 | .513 | 3.7 | 3.4 | 38 | $6,845,000 | |||||
| PHI (2 yrs) | 122 | 144 | -5 | 3 | 0 | 6 | -2 | 3 | 0.3 | 4 | 7 | 0.7 | .502 | .501 | 0.1 | 0.4 | 1 | $380,000 | |||||
What does this tell us about Michael Bourn? First, he’s a slap hitter, but gets on base at a decent clip. He’s got good speed too, something the Indians haven’t had much in the recent past. He’s been about a 5 to 6 win player with the bat from 2009-2012, excluding a 3 win dip in 2011. dWAR (defensive Wins Above Replacement) has added another three wins via his glove. I don’t know the formulae, but that suggests a pretty damn good player. Now, he is on the wrong side of 30, and the dip in 2011 is troubling. 2012 Bourn is worth every penny of his salary; 2011 Bourn less so. WAR (even oWAR) and dWAR do not create a meaningful total, so he’s not an MVP candidate, but a legitimate all-star level player at a premium position. Best of all, he’s been relatively healthy, another important skill.
For Swisher:
| Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | TB | GDP | HBP | SH | SF | IBB | Pos | Awards | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2004 | 23 | OAK | AL | 20 | 71 | 60 | 11 | 15 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 11 | .250 | .352 | .417 | .769 | 101 | 25 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 7/93D8 | |
| 2005 | 24 | OAK | AL | 131 | 522 | 462 | 66 | 109 | 32 | 1 | 21 | 74 | 0 | 1 | 55 | 110 | .236 | .322 | .446 | .768 | 102 | 206 | 9 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 3 | *93 | RoY-6 |
| 2006 | 25 | OAK | AL | 157 | 672 | 556 | 106 | 141 | 24 | 2 | 35 | 95 | 1 | 2 | 97 | 152 | .254 | .372 | .493 | .864 | 125 | 274 | 13 | 11 | 2 | 6 | 7 | 37/D89 | |
| 2007 | 26 | OAK | AL | 150 | 659 | 539 | 84 | 141 | 36 | 1 | 22 | 78 | 3 | 2 | 100 | 131 | .262 | .381 | .455 | .836 | 126 | 245 | 13 | 10 | 1 | 9 | 12 | 893/D | |
| 2008 | 27 | CHW | AL | 153 | 588 | 497 | 86 | 109 | 21 | 1 | 24 | 69 | 3 | 3 | 82 | 135 | .219 | .332 | .410 | .743 | 93 | 204 | 14 | 4 | 1 | 4 | 6 | 3879/D | |
| 2009 | 28 | NYY | AL | 150 | 607 | 498 | 84 | 124 | 35 | 1 | 29 | 82 | 0 | 0 | 97 | 126 | .249 | .371 | .498 | .869 | 122 | 248 | 13 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 2 | *93/7D1 | |
| 2010 | 29 | NYY | AL | 150 | 635 | 566 | 91 | 163 | 33 | 3 | 29 | 89 | 1 | 2 | 58 | 139 | .288 | .359 | .511 | .870 | 129 | 289 | 13 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 0 | *9D/38 | AS |
| 2011 | 30 | NYY | AL | 150 | 635 | 526 | 81 | 137 | 30 | 0 | 23 | 85 | 2 | 2 | 95 | 125 | .260 | .374 | .449 | .822 | 120 | 236 | 18 | 5 | 1 | 8 | 6 | *93/D | |
| 2012 | 31 | NYY | AL | 148 | 624 | 537 | 75 | 146 | 36 | 0 | 24 | 93 | 2 | 3 | 77 | 141 | .272 | .364 | .473 | .837 | 126 | 254 | 9 | 4 | 1 | 5 | 2 | *93D | |
| 9 Yrs | 1209 | 5013 | 4241 | 684 | 1085 | 251 | 9 | 209 | 673 | 12 | 15 | 669 | 1070 | .256 | .361 | .467 | .828 | 118 | 1981 | 104 | 49 | 12 | 42 | 38 | |||||
| 162 Game Avg. | 162 | 672 | 568 | 92 | 145 | 34 | 1 | 28 | 90 | 2 | 2 | 90 | 143 | .256 | .361 | .467 | .828 | 118 | 265 | 14 | 7 | 2 | 6 | 5 | |||||
| NYY (4 yrs) | 598 | 2501 | 2127 | 331 | 570 | 134 | 4 | 105 | 349 | 5 | 7 | 327 | 531 | .268 | .367 | .483 | .850 | 124 | 1027 | 53 | 18 | 8 | 21 | 10 | |||||
| OAK (4 yrs) | 458 | 1924 | 1617 | 267 | 406 | 96 | 4 | 80 | 255 | 4 | 5 | 260 | 404 | .251 | .361 | .464 | .825 | 118 | 750 | 37 | 27 | 3 | 17 | 22 | |||||
| CHW (1 yr) | 153 | 588 | 497 | 86 | 109 | 21 | 1 | 24 | 69 | 3 | 3 | 82 | 135 | .219 | .332 | .410 | .743 | 93 | 204 | 14 | 4 | 1 | 4 | 6 | |||||
and
| Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | Rbat | Rbaser | Rdp | Rfield | Rpos | RAA | WAA | Rrep | RAR | WAR | waaWL% | 162WL% | oWAR | dWAR | oRAR | Pos | Awards | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2004 | 23 | OAK | AL | 20 | 71 | 1 | -1 | -0 | -5 | -1 | -7 | -0.6 | 2 | -4 | -0.4 | .468 | .496 | 0.1 | -0.6 | 0 | 7/93D8 | ||
| 2005 | 24 | OAK | AL | 131 | 522 | -1 | 1 | -0 | 4 | -7 | -3 | -0.2 | 18 | 15 | 1.4 | .498 | .498 | 1.0 | -0.2 | 11 | $316,500 | *93 | RoY-6 |
| 2006 | 25 | OAK | AL | 157 | 672 | 22 | -2 | -0 | 0 | -10 | 10 | 1.1 | 23 | 33 | 3.2 | .506 | .506 | 3.2 | -0.8 | 33 | $335,000 | 37/D89 | |
| 2007 | 26 | OAK | AL | 150 | 659 | 20 | 3 | -0 | 2 | -5 | 19 | 2.1 | 22 | 41 | 4.1 | .513 | .512 | 3.9 | -0.2 | 39 | $400,000 | 893/D | |
| 2008 | 27 | CHW | AL | 153 | 588 | -7 | -0 | -2 | -11 | -5 | -25 | -2.3 | 20 | -5 | -0.5 | .483 | .484 | 0.5 | -1.4 | 6 | $3,600,000 | 3879/D | |
| 2009 | 28 | NYY | AL | 150 | 607 | 15 | -1 | -1 | -8 | -7 | -3 | -0.1 | 20 | 17 | 1.7 | .498 | .498 | 2.5 | -1.5 | 25 | $5,400,000 | *93/7D1 | |
| 2010 | 29 | NYY | AL | 150 | 635 | 24 | -3 | -1 | -1 | -8 | 11 | 1.4 | 22 | 33 | 3.4 | .508 | .507 | 3.5 | -0.8 | 34 | $6,850,000 | *9D/38 | AS |
| 2011 | 30 | NYY | AL | 150 | 635 | 13 | -2 | -2 | -6 | -8 | -5 | -0.4 | 22 | 16 | 1.5 | .496 | .497 | 2.2 | -1.4 | 22 | $9,100,000 | *93/D | |
| 2012 | 31 | NYY | AL | 148 | 624 | 18 | -1 | 1 | 5 | -9 | 14 | 1.6 | 21 | 35 | 3.5 | .510 | .509 | 3.1 | -0.4 | 30 | $10,250,000 | *93D | |
| 9 Seasons | 1209 | 5013 | 105 | -6 | -7 | -20 | -60 | 11 | 2.6 | 170 | 181 | 17.9 | .501 | .501 | 20.0 | -7.1 | 201 | $36,251,500 | |||||
| NYY (4 yrs) | 598 | 2501 | 70 | -7 | -4 | -10 | -32 | 17 | 2.5 | 85 | 102 | 10.1 | .503 | .503 | 11.3 | -4.0 | 112 | $31,600,000 | |||||
| OAK (4 yrs) | 458 | 1924 | 42 | 1 | -2 | 1 | -23 | 19 | 2.4 | 65 | 85 | 8.3 | .504 | .503 | 8.2 | -1.7 | 84 | $1,051,500 | |||||
| CHW (1 yr) | 153 | 588 | -7 | -0 | -2 | -11 | -5 | -25 | -2.3 | 20 | -5 | -0.5 | .483 | .484 | 0.5 | -1.4 | 6 | $3,600,000 | |||||
Swisher, on the other hand, is rock solid. He provides OBP and power; he’s essentially replacing Choo and has a similar skill set (although Choo is better defensively). His contract is a bit over market value, as he’s not a superstar, but for Cleveland there’s an intangible PR advantage of an Ohio guy wanting to play here. Again, he’s durable, having played more than 140 games in every year of his career except his rookie year, and topping 150 in every year but his rookie year and (somewhat ominously) last year, although he was only two games off.
If Swisher’s power from 2010 comes back, he could be a borderline All-Star candidate, but all he has to do is replace Choo; if he does that, we got Trevor Bauer et. al. for essentially nothing.
Bourn, therefore, is a high risk, high reward type who will provide durability, speed, good fielding, and reasonable to great offense. Swisher probably won’t surprise, but he won’t disappoint either, and again, he’s durable. These are very good moves, in my estimation. The Indians have gotten better in pitching, and with even a dead cat bounce in regression they have to get better. Will the Indians make the playoffs year, though?
I have to say no right now. The Indians still lack a superstar (unless Bourn repeats 2012). The best Indians (Carlos Santana, Asdrubal Cabrera, and Jason Kipnis) are 3-4 win players. Great regulars, but not fantastic (Cabrera was in 2011, and if Santana could stay healthy over a season, he could be). Chisenhall has potential but remains an unknown. The problem, as Rob Neyer puts it so eloquently, is the terrible draft record of the Indians. Very, very few superstars are not homegrown. Homegrown doesn’t necessarily mean drafted — it could mean traded for, ala Sizemore and Cliff Lee. But, for whatever reason, the Indians don’t have one. Now, Kipnis and Chisenhall could be superstars; it’s hard to tell as of now. In order for the Indians to make the playoffs, all of the offensive talent has to be at least career average, with improvement from Kipnis and a full season of Chisenhall. That’s doable. The pitching staff needs to take a quantum leap forward, though, and I don’t know if that’s possible with these pitchers. It could be, but I doubt it.
One thing is certain though: they’re going to be much, much better.
[...] is the projection system of Fangraphs, and it tells somewhat the same story that I did in my post a couple of days [...]
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