36 Chambers – The Legendary Journeys: Execution to the max!

February 12, 2013

Will the makeover of the Indians work?

Filed under: Sports — Tony Demchak @ 12:26 pm

Rob Neyer says maybe. Ken Rosenthal says probably.

If you hadn’t heard, the Indians have acquired, essentially, three new outfielders — Nick Swisher, Michael Bourn, and Drew Stubbs. I’ve commented on the latter earlier, so I’ll focus my attention on the other two new acquisitions. Significantly, both came via free agency. Conveniently, both Bourn and Swisher have more or less the same contract — 4 year deals, although Swisher got more cash ($56 million vs. $48 million) and both have vesting options. They’ve also made some excellent low risk signings for the pitching staff in Brett Myers, Daisuke Matsuzaka, and Scott Kazmir.  Mark Reynolds will play 1B/DH and provide power, something the Indians haven’t had in a while. Yet Bourn and Swisher are where the Tribe spent the money, so let’s focus on them.

Michael Bourn’s career line:

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
2006 23 PHI NL 17 11 8 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 1 3 .125 .222 .125 .347 -9 1 0 0 2 0 0 9/7
2007 24 PHI NL 105 133 119 29 33 3 3 1 6 18 1 13 21 .277 .348 .378 .727 86 45 1 0 1 0 2 78/9
2008 25 HOU NL 138 514 467 57 107 10 4 5 29 41 10 37 111 .229 .288 .300 .588 57 140 3 2 7 1 0 *8
2009 26 HOU NL 157 678 606 97 173 27 12 3 35 61 12 63 140 .285 .354 .384 .738 97 233 1 2 5 2 1 *8 GG
2010 27 HOU NL 141 605 535 84 142 25 6 2 38 52 12 59 109 .265 .341 .346 .686 89 185 6 3 6 2 5 *8 AS,GG
2011 28 TOT NL 158 722 656 94 193 34 10 2 50 61 14 53 140 .294 .349 .386 .734 103 253 6 4 5 4 3 *8
2011 28 HOU NL 105 473 429 64 130 26 7 1 32 39 7 38 90 .303 .363 .403 .766 113 173 5 3 2 1 2 8
2011 28 ATL NL 53 249 227 30 63 8 3 1 18 22 7 15 50 .278 .321 .352 .674 85 80 1 1 3 3 1 8
2012 29 ATL NL 155 703 624 96 171 26 10 9 57 42 13 70 155 .274 .348 .391 .739 99 244 2 3 2 4 1 *8 AS,MVP-18
7 Yrs 871 3366 3015 459 820 125 45 22 215 276 64 296 679 .272 .339 .365 .704 90 1101 19 14 28 13 12
162 Game Avg. 162 626 561 85 153 23 8 4 40 51 12 55 126 .272 .339 .365 .704 90 205 4 3 5 2 2
HOU (4 yrs) 541 2270 2037 302 552 88 29 11 134 193 41 197 450 .271 .337 .359 .696 89 731 15 10 20 6 8
ATL (2 yrs) 208 952 851 126 234 34 13 10 75 64 20 85 205 .275 .341 .381 .722 96 324 3 4 5 7 2
PHI (2 yrs) 122 144 127 31 34 3 3 1 6 19 3 14 24 .268 .340 .362 .703 79 46 1 0 3 0 2
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/12/2013.

and

Year Age Tm Lg G PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA WAA Rrep RAR WAR waaWL% 162WL% oWAR dWAR oRAR Salary Pos Awards
2006 23 PHI NL 17 11 -2 -0 0 0 -0 -2 -0.2 0 -2 -0.2 .486 .499 -0.2 -0.0 -2 9/7
2007 24 PHI NL 105 133 -3 4 0 6 -2 5 0.5 4 9 0.9 .505 .503 0.3 0.4 3 $380,000 78/9
2008 25 HOU NL 138 514 -28 4 1 1 2 -20 -2.1 14 -6 -0.7 .485 .487 -0.8 0.3 -7 $396,000 *8
2009 26 HOU NL 157 678 -0 10 4 11 2 28 2.9 18 46 4.7 .518 .518 3.5 1.4 35 $434,500 *8 GG
2010 27 HOU NL 141 605 -8 9 2 30 2 34 3.7 17 51 5.3 .526 .523 2.1 3.5 21 $2,400,000 *8 AS,GG
2011 28 HOU NL 105 473 7 4 1 -6 2 8 0.9 13 21 2.1 .508 .505 2.7 -0.4 27 $4,400,000 8
2011 28 ATL NL 53 249 -5 2 1 3 1 2 0.2 7 9 0.9 .504 .501 0.5 0.4 6 8
2012 29 ATL NL 155 703 0 7 3 24 2 37 4.1 20 56 6.0 .526 .525 3.2 3.0 33 $6,845,000 *8 AS,MVP-18
7 Seasons 871 3366 -38 39 12 69 10 92 10.0 92 184 19.0 .511 .508 11.3 8.6 115 $14,855,500
HOU (4 yrs) 541 2270 -29 27 8 36 8 50 5.3 62 112 11.4 .510 .508 7.5 4.8 76 $7,630,500
ATL (2 yrs) 208 952 -4 9 4 27 3 39 4.4 27 65 6.9 .520 .513 3.7 3.4 38 $6,845,000
PHI (2 yrs) 122 144 -5 3 0 6 -2 3 0.3 4 7 0.7 .502 .501 0.1 0.4 1 $380,000
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/12/2013.

What does this tell us about Michael Bourn? First, he’s a slap hitter, but gets on base at a decent clip. He’s got good speed too, something the Indians haven’t had much in the recent past. He’s been about a 5 to 6 win player with the bat from 2009-2012, excluding a 3 win dip in 2011. dWAR (defensive Wins Above Replacement) has added another three wins via his glove. I don’t know the formulae, but that suggests a pretty damn good player. Now, he is on the wrong side of 30, and the dip in 2011 is troubling. 2012 Bourn is worth every penny of his salary; 2011 Bourn less so. WAR (even oWAR) and dWAR do not create a meaningful total, so he’s not an MVP candidate, but a legitimate all-star level player at a premium position. Best of all, he’s been relatively healthy, another important skill.

For Swisher:

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
2004 23 OAK AL 20 71 60 11 15 4 0 2 8 0 0 8 11 .250 .352 .417 .769 101 25 2 2 0 1 0 7/93D8
2005 24 OAK AL 131 522 462 66 109 32 1 21 74 0 1 55 110 .236 .322 .446 .768 102 206 9 4 0 1 3 *93 RoY-6
2006 25 OAK AL 157 672 556 106 141 24 2 35 95 1 2 97 152 .254 .372 .493 .864 125 274 13 11 2 6 7 37/D89
2007 26 OAK AL 150 659 539 84 141 36 1 22 78 3 2 100 131 .262 .381 .455 .836 126 245 13 10 1 9 12 893/D
2008 27 CHW AL 153 588 497 86 109 21 1 24 69 3 3 82 135 .219 .332 .410 .743 93 204 14 4 1 4 6 3879/D
2009 28 NYY AL 150 607 498 84 124 35 1 29 82 0 0 97 126 .249 .371 .498 .869 122 248 13 3 3 6 2 *93/7D1
2010 29 NYY AL 150 635 566 91 163 33 3 29 89 1 2 58 139 .288 .359 .511 .870 129 289 13 6 3 2 0 *9D/38 AS
2011 30 NYY AL 150 635 526 81 137 30 0 23 85 2 2 95 125 .260 .374 .449 .822 120 236 18 5 1 8 6 *93/D
2012 31 NYY AL 148 624 537 75 146 36 0 24 93 2 3 77 141 .272 .364 .473 .837 126 254 9 4 1 5 2 *93D
9 Yrs 1209 5013 4241 684 1085 251 9 209 673 12 15 669 1070 .256 .361 .467 .828 118 1981 104 49 12 42 38
162 Game Avg. 162 672 568 92 145 34 1 28 90 2 2 90 143 .256 .361 .467 .828 118 265 14 7 2 6 5
NYY (4 yrs) 598 2501 2127 331 570 134 4 105 349 5 7 327 531 .268 .367 .483 .850 124 1027 53 18 8 21 10
OAK (4 yrs) 458 1924 1617 267 406 96 4 80 255 4 5 260 404 .251 .361 .464 .825 118 750 37 27 3 17 22
CHW (1 yr) 153 588 497 86 109 21 1 24 69 3 3 82 135 .219 .332 .410 .743 93 204 14 4 1 4 6
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/12/2013.

and

Year Age Tm Lg G PA Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos RAA WAA Rrep RAR WAR waaWL% 162WL% oWAR dWAR oRAR Salary Pos Awards
2004 23 OAK AL 20 71 1 -1 -0 -5 -1 -7 -0.6 2 -4 -0.4 .468 .496 0.1 -0.6 0 7/93D8
2005 24 OAK AL 131 522 -1 1 -0 4 -7 -3 -0.2 18 15 1.4 .498 .498 1.0 -0.2 11 $316,500 *93 RoY-6
2006 25 OAK AL 157 672 22 -2 -0 0 -10 10 1.1 23 33 3.2 .506 .506 3.2 -0.8 33 $335,000 37/D89
2007 26 OAK AL 150 659 20 3 -0 2 -5 19 2.1 22 41 4.1 .513 .512 3.9 -0.2 39 $400,000 893/D
2008 27 CHW AL 153 588 -7 -0 -2 -11 -5 -25 -2.3 20 -5 -0.5 .483 .484 0.5 -1.4 6 $3,600,000 3879/D
2009 28 NYY AL 150 607 15 -1 -1 -8 -7 -3 -0.1 20 17 1.7 .498 .498 2.5 -1.5 25 $5,400,000 *93/7D1
2010 29 NYY AL 150 635 24 -3 -1 -1 -8 11 1.4 22 33 3.4 .508 .507 3.5 -0.8 34 $6,850,000 *9D/38 AS
2011 30 NYY AL 150 635 13 -2 -2 -6 -8 -5 -0.4 22 16 1.5 .496 .497 2.2 -1.4 22 $9,100,000 *93/D
2012 31 NYY AL 148 624 18 -1 1 5 -9 14 1.6 21 35 3.5 .510 .509 3.1 -0.4 30 $10,250,000 *93D
9 Seasons 1209 5013 105 -6 -7 -20 -60 11 2.6 170 181 17.9 .501 .501 20.0 -7.1 201 $36,251,500
NYY (4 yrs) 598 2501 70 -7 -4 -10 -32 17 2.5 85 102 10.1 .503 .503 11.3 -4.0 112 $31,600,000
OAK (4 yrs) 458 1924 42 1 -2 1 -23 19 2.4 65 85 8.3 .504 .503 8.2 -1.7 84 $1,051,500
CHW (1 yr) 153 588 -7 -0 -2 -11 -5 -25 -2.3 20 -5 -0.5 .483 .484 0.5 -1.4 6 $3,600,000
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/12/2013.

Swisher, on the other hand, is rock solid. He provides OBP and power; he’s essentially replacing Choo and has a similar skill set (although Choo is better defensively). His contract is a bit over market value, as he’s not a superstar, but for Cleveland there’s an intangible PR advantage of an Ohio guy wanting to play here. Again, he’s durable, having played more than 140 games in every year of his career except his rookie year, and topping 150 in every year but his rookie year and (somewhat ominously) last year, although he was only two games off.

If Swisher’s power from 2010 comes back, he could be a borderline All-Star candidate, but all he has to do is replace Choo; if he does that, we got Trevor Bauer et. al. for essentially nothing.

Bourn, therefore, is a high risk, high reward type who will provide durability, speed, good fielding, and reasonable to great offense. Swisher probably won’t surprise, but he won’t disappoint either, and again, he’s durable. These are very good moves, in my estimation. The Indians have gotten better in pitching, and with even a dead cat bounce in regression they have to get better. Will the Indians make the playoffs year, though?

I have to say no right now. The Indians still lack a superstar (unless Bourn repeats 2012). The best Indians (Carlos Santana, Asdrubal Cabrera, and Jason Kipnis) are 3-4 win players. Great regulars, but not fantastic (Cabrera was in 2011, and if Santana could stay healthy over a season, he could be). Chisenhall has potential but remains an unknown. The problem, as Rob Neyer puts it so eloquently, is the terrible draft record of the Indians. Very, very few superstars are not homegrown. Homegrown doesn’t necessarily mean drafted — it could mean traded for, ala Sizemore and Cliff Lee. But, for whatever reason, the Indians don’t have one. Now, Kipnis and Chisenhall could be superstars; it’s hard to tell as of now. In order for the Indians to make the playoffs, all of the offensive talent has to be at least career average, with improvement from Kipnis and a full season of Chisenhall. That’s doable. The pitching staff needs to take a quantum leap forward, though, and I don’t know if that’s possible with these pitchers. It could be, but I doubt it.

One thing is certain though: they’re going to be much, much better.

1 Comment »

  1. [...] is the projection system of Fangraphs, and it tells somewhat the same story that I did in my post a couple of days [...]

    Pingback by Some reason for hope? ZIPs projections for the Indians « 36 Chambers – The Legendary Journeys: Execution to the max! — February 14, 2013 @ 9:18 pm


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